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Don couldnt a cold core low produce its own cold air?
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Stratton20 wrote: Thu Dec 16, 2021 11:30 am JDsGN i hope so🤞🤞 75/60 with humidity is just flat out miserable lol
Yeah it lost it and added even more heat in.... Ill enjoy this weekend at least.
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Stratton20 wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 12:01 pm Don couldnt a cold core low produce its own cold air?
Yes,that's what i said.But it wont be able to compensate enough to over power the pacific air in place.The cold core still needs some help at the surface.And we wont have enough cold air in place at the surface for any snow.Not even close...
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To be fair though a few sleet pellets or small hail mixed in with the rain wouldn't be impossible especially if we get some elevated storms.But it would only be a novelty at the most.
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Don Hey ill take a novelty anyday🙂 would be cool to see!
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Belmer wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:41 am Don't let tomorrow's weather catch you off guard with the main focus being some potentially hefty rainfall totals across our region. Looking over some soundings and model data this morning, wouldn't rule out some locations picking up 2-3+ inches with PWs in the 1.6-1.8" range which is nearing +2 standard deviation for this time of year. The SPC does have us in a marginal risk tomorrow and although the main threat will be heavy rain, I wouldn't rule out a weak tornado threat, especially if you're south of I-10 as enough instability and shear will be present. No 2% TOR hatch yet from SPC, but I wouldn't be too surprised if they outline one in either in the 1730z update or the one at 07z depending on model data this afternoon. Not expecting much sun tomorrow before the front, but any peaks that come out will only fuel the storms more, with hail also another threat. Depending on which model you look at, general timing of the front looks to be between 11am-4pm.. earlier it can push through the better as far as severe potential... keep the convT down to lessen the instability.

As for Christmas forecast.. GFS (06z) says 80s (mid to upper 80s near and west of Dallas). Euro has been trending cooler in the latest runs with mid 60s. Pretty large disagreement on the upper-level pattern come next weekend between the two. One thing they agree on is a dry forecast which would be nice since Thanksgiving wasn't the best in that regard.
As expected, the SPC has added a fairly wide hatch for TOR tomorrow

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Yep,I also notice the mesoscale models are showing an impulse moving in ahead of the front tomorrow.Producing possibly some semi discreet cells before a storm complex or weak MCS moves in with the front.Any discreet cells that do develop ahead of the front tomorrow could have a tornado risk.
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don wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:29 pm Yep,I also notice the mesoscale models are showing an impulse moving in ahead of the front tomorrow.Producing possibly some semi discreet cells before a storm complex or weak MCS moves in with the front.Any discreet cells that do develop ahead of the front tomorrow could have a tornado risk.
Yeah, some of the soundings I was looking at earlier this morning had some interesting hodographs if those cells can remain discreet. The morning models had the most favorable environment really focused more in our southwestern counties before it gets all junked up ahead of the the front
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Belmer wrote: Fri Dec 17, 2021 10:41 am As for Christmas forecast.. GFS (06z) says 80s (mid to upper 80s near and west of Dallas). Euro has been trending cooler in the latest runs with mid 60s. Pretty large disagreement on the upper-level pattern come next weekend between the two. One thing they agree on is a dry forecast which would be nice since Thanksgiving wasn't the best in that regard.
Welp, so much for Euro's hopeful 60s. Both 12z runs are an absolute blow torch for Christmas Day... 80+

But still dry so small silver lining :roll:
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Fingers crossed the tornado threat does not come to fruition🤞 may be just some beneficial rain but nothing serious, hopefully🙂and both of the shows 80’s for Christmas... Bahumbug😆those models bringing out the Ebenezer Scrooge in me
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Excessive Rainfall Discussion
NWS Weather Prediction Center College Park MD
325 PM EST Fri Dec 17 2021

Day 2
Valid 12Z Sat Dec 18 2021 - 12Z Sun Dec 19 2021

...THERE IS A MARGINAL RISK OF EXCESSIVE RAINFALL ALONG THE MIDDLE
AND UPPER TEXAS COAST AND SOUTHWEST LOUISIANA COAST...

21Z update... The latest CAMs have slowed down a bit during the D1
period, which bleed over into the beginning of this period,
keeping QPF and some localized higher amounts over parts of
Arkansas, Louisiana and eastern Texas along the front as it passes
through. The best signal for the heaviest QPF continues to be
along the Texas coast as previously mentioned. In coordination
with the local forecast office in San Antonio, the Marginal Risk
area was expanded westward to just east of I-35 to account for
this trend and the latest WPC QPF. The areal average for this part
of the country will be 1 to 3 inches, but isolated locally higher
amounts of 5 to 6+ inches may be possible.

Campbell

Previous discussion... There is an increasing signal in hi-res
model guidance for a heavy rainfall event on Saturday,
particularly on the Texas coast between Victoria and Houston. The
00Z HREF has produced 25-mi neighborhood probabilities of 5 inches
of rainfall in 12 hours of 15-30 percent in that same area between
12Z Saturday to 00Z Sunday. This seems to be from a combination of
linear convection arriving along a surging cold front from the
northwest, as well as convective clusters emerging from a
low-level theta-e axis in the western Gulf of Mexico in the
morning. The environment will be supportive of heavy rain rates,
with precipitable water values approaching 1.7 to 1.8 inches and
moderate amounts of instability (MUCAPE 1000-1500 j/kg), and rates
up to around 2 inches per hour would be possible. Nevertheless,
antecedent conditions are somewhat dry with rainfall over the past
30 days around half the normal values, and portions of the area in
D0 abnormally dry drought classification. Therefore, the Marginal
Risk has been maintained for now, although a Slight Risk was
considered. Given the dry ground conditions, the interaction of
heavy rain rates with urban areas (and how long those rates could
be sustained) will likely be important in determining the eventual
flash flood risk, and thus trends in the rainfall forecast
relative to the Houston metro area will be important.
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Sucks. Wife and I had planned to go to the Marriot lazy river in downtown tomorrow since it's been so hot and lo and behold we have severe thunderstorms and heavy rain coming. Go freaking figure.
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SPC has upgraded southeast TX to a slight risk:

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Day 1 Convective Outlook
NWS Storm Prediction Center Norman OK
0651 AM CST Sat Dec 18 2021

Valid 181300Z - 191200Z

...THERE IS A SLIGHT RISK OF SEVERE THUNDERSTORMS COASTAL SOUTHEAST
TX AND SOUTHWEST LA...

...SUMMARY...
Scattered severe storms will be possible through this afternoon
across coastal southeast Texas and southwest Louisiana. Damaging
winds and large hail should be the main threats, however a couple
tornadoes may also occur.

...Southeast TX to south LA...
Scattered thunderstorms are ongoing in vicinity of a
southeast-surging cold front that is draped from the Ark-La-Tex to
the TX Hill Country. The greatest severe potential should emanate
out of pre-frontal convection near/east of the I-35 corridor in the
heart of TX as it spreads towards the coastal plain today.
Insolation will be limited by both abundant low and high-level
cloudiness. But even minor boundary-layer heating of rich moisture
characterized by 67-71 F surface dew points will result in a broad
plume of moderate buoyancy with MLCAPE of 1000-2000 J/kg.

The 06Z NAM has backed off somewhat from its outlier scenario with
convection-induced strengthening of 850-700 mb flow. Other guidance
suggests low-level winds/hodographs will continue to have pronounced
weaknesses which should temper the overall tornado threat.
Nevertheless, around 40-kt effective shear should foster potential
for transient supercell structures. In addition, a deepening cold
pool could support potential for semi-organized linear clusters
capable of producing strong to locally severe gusts, especially
towards the immediate coast. The best chance for large hail will
exist along the western flank of thunderstorm development across
south TX given initially steep mid-level lapse rates with a
pronounced EML sampled by the 12Z CRP sounding. But convection here
will generally be undercut through the afternoon as the cold front
pushes south-southeast.
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Lots of discrete cells out in front.
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I noticed that as well...

Severe Thunderstorm Warning
TXC201-291-339-407-181730-
/O.NEW.KHGX.SV.W.0092.211218T1657Z-211218T1730Z/

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
Severe Thunderstorm Warning
National Weather Service Houston/Galveston TX
1057 AM CST Sat Dec 18 2021

The National Weather Service in League City has issued a

* Severe Thunderstorm Warning for...
Southeastern Montgomery County in southeastern Texas...
Southwestern San Jacinto County in southeastern Texas...
West central Liberty County in southeastern Texas...
North central Harris County in southeastern Texas...

* Until 1130 AM CST.

* At 1057 AM CST, severe thunderstorms were located along a line
extending from near Cut And Shoot to near Shenandoah, moving
southeast at 45 mph.

HAZARD...60 mph wind gusts.

SOURCE...Radar indicated.

IMPACT...Expect damage to roofs, siding, and trees.

* Locations impacted include...
Conroe, Humble, Cleveland, The Woodlands, Kingwood, Spring, Oak
Ridge North, Shenandoah, Splendora, Patton Village, Roman Forest,
Woodbranch, Cut And Shoot, Plum Grove, North Cleveland, Woodloch,
The Woodlands Pavillion, Chateau Woods, Porter Heights and northern
Atascocita.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

For your protection move to an interior room on the lowest floor of a
building.

&&

LAT...LON 3033 9495 3000 9521 3019 9560 3049 9535
TIME...MOT...LOC 1657Z 299DEG 40KT 3040 9533 3021 9548

HAIL THREAT...RADAR INDICATED
MAX HAIL SIZE...<.75 IN
WIND THREAT...RADAR INDICATED
MAX WIND GUST...60 MPH
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Why is that when I attempt to visit into this site I get a warning about the connection not being secured? This is happening for me across multiple devices.
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Severe Thunderstorm Warning
TXC201-181815-
/O.NEW.KHGX.SV.W.0094.211218T1741Z-211218T1815Z/

BULLETIN - IMMEDIATE BROADCAST REQUESTED
Severe Thunderstorm Warning
National Weather Service Houston/Galveston TX
1141 AM CST Sat Dec 18 2021

The National Weather Service in League City has issued a

* Severe Thunderstorm Warning for...
Central Harris County in southeastern Texas...

* Until 1215 PM CST.

* At 1140 AM CST, a severe thunderstorm was located over Langwood, or
near Spring Branch North, moving southeast at 30 mph.

HAZARD...60 mph wind gusts.

SOURCE...Radar indicated.

IMPACT...Expect damage to roofs, siding, and trees.

* Locations impacted include...
Bellaire, West University Place, Galena Park, Jacinto City, Jersey
Village, Hunters Creek Village, Bunker Hill Village, Piney Point
Village, Midtown Houston, Downtown Houston, Northside / Northline,
Greenway / Upper Kirby Area, Spring Branch North, Second Ward,
Greater Heights, Neartown / Montrose, Greater Eastwood, Near
Northside Houston, Greater Fifth Ward and Memorial Park.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

For your protection move to an interior room on the lowest floor of a
building.

Intense thunderstorm lines can produce brief tornadoes and widespread
significant wind damage. Although a tornado is not immediately
likely, it is best to move to an interior room on the lowest floor of
a building. This storm may cause serious injury and significant
property damage.
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Waded wrote: Sat Dec 18, 2021 12:03 pm Why is that when I attempt to visit into this site I get a warning about the connection not being secured? This is happening for me across multiple devices.
I believe some sort of certificate expired. Happened to all of us.
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Some much needed rainfall today across the area.
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