November 2022

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Looks like the severe weather threat for next week shifted east. No longer includes the Houston area.
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2.10” for my Thanksgiving Day In Beaumont. Lets see how today/tonight turnout!
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Stratton20 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:16 am the only reason im even bringing this up despite the 00z Euro dropping the system, is because it kind of fits the time frame that some meteorologists like Larry Cosgrove are talking about, id rather the GFS be dead wrong, no one wants an ice storm lol
Reminder that Larry did not say Houston for possible frozen
precip. He said specifically not too far north from here. Big difference.
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sambucol wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:26 am
Stratton20 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:16 am the only reason im even bringing this up despite the 00z Euro dropping the system, is because it kind of fits the time frame that some meteorologists like Larry Cosgrove are talking about, id rather the GFS be dead wrong, no one wants an ice storm lol


Reminder that Larry did not say Houston for possible frozen
precip. He said specifically not too far north from here. Big difference.

He may have said that to you but in his write up to the general public, he didn’t mention that. I don’t like long range forecasts. There’s no way someone could accurately predict in 10+ days out what’s going to happen and where it’s going to happen. And I would personally only put my confidence level at maybe a 3 or 4 about that cold snap actually verifying. It’s still too far out and doesn’t have consistent model support yet. But in the way Larry wrote, one would think there would definitely be chances for wintry weather in southeast Texas. That was very aggressive wording he was using.
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Fortunately most of the day should be pretty quiet. It won't be till this evening that things pickup.
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Picked up 1.68". So far east Harris county are the winners where 4-6 inches of rain fell yesterday.
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Not much of a cold front that blew through huh?
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brazoriatx wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:41 am Not much of a cold front that blew through huh?
It wasn’t supposed to be.
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brazoriatx wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:41 am Not much of a cold front that blew through huh?
Im not seeing any "cold" fronts through at least Christmas.
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Apparently some of the KHOU meteorologists are getting blasted by the public for cutting in on the bills game last night due to a tornado warning, gotta love it when entitlement over a game is more important than safety lol
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Stratton20 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:38 am Apparently some of the KHOU meteorologists are getting blasted by the public for cutting in on the bills game last night due to a tornado warning, gotta love it when entitlement over a game is more important than safety lol
The issue is they didn’t do a split screen. A very basic thing. Something any station has been able to do since the 1980’s. They completely cut off the game to babble for 15 minutes about a marginal F0 tornado signature on radar. I kinda see the football fans’ side on this one. They could have at least done a split screen.
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jasons2k I do understand where the fans are coming from, but I feel like getting heated towards the meteorologists for doing their jobs is a little over board, i dont think thats something that they can control, like I saw fox news had a split screen with the tornado warning update while a soccer game was going on
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snowman65 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 11:37 am
brazoriatx wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 10:41 am Not much of a cold front that blew through huh?
Im not seeing any "cold" fronts through at least Christmas.
Lmao okay. We’ll see how this ages.
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So is that big blob of rain in the Gulf supposed to come back north, or is the rain coming from elsewhere?
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Cpv17 yeah that comment is going to age like sour milk, its going to be a battle of arctic air coming down, and how far south it gets due to the SE ridge looking like its going to be a player in early december
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Texashawk wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 12:40 pm So is that big blob of rain in the Gulf supposed to come back north, or is the rain coming from elsewhere?
It’s already pouring here in the Wharton/El Campo area.

Didn’t last long though. I think the main event is going to start this evening into the overnight hours.
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I noticed that,looks like rain coverage is a little more than what most models were showing for this time.
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Cpv17 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:33 am
sambucol wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:26 am
Stratton20 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:16 am the only reason im even bringing this up despite the 00z Euro dropping the system, is because it kind of fits the time frame that some meteorologists like Larry Cosgrove are talking about, id rather the GFS be dead wrong, no one wants an ice storm lol


Reminder that Larry did not say Houston for possible frozen
precip. He said specifically not too far north from here. Big difference.

He may have said that to you but in his write up to the general public, he didn’t mention that. I don’t like long range forecasts. There’s no way someone could accurately predict in 10+ days out what’s going to happen and where it’s going to happen. And I would personally only put my confidence level at maybe a 3 or 4 about that cold snap actually verifying. It’s still too far out and doesn’t have consistent model support yet. But in the way Larry wrote, one would think there would definitely be chances for wintry weather in southeast Texas. That was very aggressive wording he was using.
He did say that to me in a private message. Not too far north from here ( Houston area) there may be frozen precipitation. I’m guessing that would still be in what is considered Southeast Texas. He is a professional meteorologist. I value his forecasts.
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sambucol wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 1:40 pm
Cpv17 wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:33 am
sambucol wrote: Fri Nov 25, 2022 8:26 am

He did say that to me in a private message. Not too far north from here ( Houston area) there may be frozen precipitation. I’m guessing that would still be in what is considered Southeast Texas. He is a professional meteorologist. I value his forecasts.
There’s no way any meteorologist can accurately forecast a wintry weather event just north of Houston that far out. I’m not even sold on it getting cold yet much less wintry weather. Larry is a great met and I value what he says greatly but no one on this earth could accurately forecast that. Can’t take everything at face value.
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Moderate risk area expanded a little.
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.SHORT TERM...
(This evening through Saturday Night)
Issued at 345 PM CST Fri Nov 25 2022

As of 3 PM CST, showers and thunderstorms associated with a broad
surface low situated to the southwest of Matagorda Bay have
continued to increase in coverage along and south of the I-10
corridor, although a majority of the precipitation remains situated
offshore. Nonetheless, environmental conditions are favorable for an
increase in both coverage and intensity of rainfall over the next
several hours, with a heavy rain threat still on the cards in the
evening and overnight hours. Persistent onshore flow has allowed for
a surge in total PW values, with models in fairly good agreement in
indicating an increase to approximately 1.8-1.9 in along the coast
this evening. Based on PW climatology values from nearby surface
sites (LCH/CRP), this exceeds the 90th observed percentile over a
period dating as far back as 1946.

Given the deep moisture in place, a robust midlevel low situated
over W Central TX providing ample vorticity advection, and the
aforementioned surface low tracking to the northeast, we anticipate
a period of widespread rainfall over the next 12-18 hours, which may
become heavy at times. High resolution guidance indicates an
increase in both rainfall coverage and intensity after 6PM this
evening and until mid-morning tomorrow as the surface low pushes
along the coast. As many locations yesterday received several inches
of rainfall and thereby have well-saturated soils, there will be a
flooding threat associated with these rains. Rainfall rates at times
may reach 2-4 in/hr in the strongest storms that develop, especially
along and south of the I-10 corridor. We have therefore maintained
the previously issued Flood Watch in effect until noon tomorrow.

Current thinking regarding rainfall amounts remains on track, with
widespread totals of 2-4 inches expected and locally higher amounts
of 5-7 inches possible. The greatest risk of these higher amounts
will be closer to the coast where the deepest moisture is available,
although overall amounts will be highly driven at the mesoscale and
tied to individual storm development.
The chance for any severe
(i.e. wind, tornadoes) threats remains marginal at best, with a lack
of instability being the inhibiting factor despite a more favorable
shear profile.
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