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Heat and drought are far more dangerous than cold is….
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Cromagnum wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:31 am
Cpv17 wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:10 am
jasons2k wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 10:46 am As hot as it is, I was still outside almost all day yesterday. Would not be the case with 40 degrees and a stiff north wind, no way Jose.
That’s because you’ve lived in the south for probably your whole life. You’re used to the heat. I’m the same way but I still love my cold weather extremes. Yeah it’s painful but I still love it. Just can’t stay outside for very long.
I've been in Houston or College Station for 42 years and I still think this is pretty unbearable.
I think it just depends on your blood. We’re all built differently. I can tolerate the heat much better than I can the cold.
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The death ridge looks to be locked over the state through mid september, folks we arent getting any widespread rains here until that ridge budges, i dont even expect the tropics to be of kuch help either, its looking bad even in the long range
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Cpv17 wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:37 am
Cromagnum wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:31 am
Cpv17 wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:10 am

That’s because you’ve lived in the south for probably your whole life. You’re used to the heat. I’m the same way but I still love my cold weather extremes. Yeah it’s painful but I still love it. Just can’t stay outside for very long.
I've been in Houston or College Station for 42 years and I still think this is pretty unbearable.
I think it just depends on your blood. We’re all built differently. I can tolerate the heat much better than I can the cold.
I think my old blood is becoming less tolerant of the heat. As a kid I remember some very hot summers, but we played outside all day and drank from the water hose when we needed to. Came back inside with nasty sunburns but never cared. Nowadays, not so much. Haha.
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Cromagnum wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:42 am
Cpv17 wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:37 am
Cromagnum wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:31 am

I've been in Houston or College Station for 42 years and I still think this is pretty unbearable.
I think it just depends on your blood. We’re all built differently. I can tolerate the heat much better than I can the cold.
I think my old blood is becoming less tolerant of the heat. As a kid I remember some very hot summers, but we played outside all day and drank from the water hose when we needed to. Came back inside with nasty sunburns but never cared. Nowadays, not so much. Haha.
Haha yeah I hear ya! I wanna say in 2009 we had a period of extremely hot weather. Even hotter than what it is now. Someone else can probably chime in on that but if I remember correctly, I was on my way to Sheridan, TX, to go to Splashway water park out there and I specifically remember my truck thermometer was saying like 108°F to 110°F the whole way up there.
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Stratton20 wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:40 am The death ridge looks to be locked over the state through mid september, folks we arent getting any widespread rains here until that ridge budges, i dont even expect the tropics to be of kuch help either, its looking bad even in the long range
Yep.
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MontgomeryCoWx wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:32 am Heat and drought are far more dangerous than cold is….
Is it? People have developed civilizations even in dry deserts like Egypt. Not to mention huge cities today like Dubai, Phoenix, etc.

Haven't seen such occurences in the Arctic or Antarctica...
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Stratton20 wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:40 am The death ridge looks to be locked over the state through mid september, folks we arent getting any widespread rains here until that ridge budges, i dont even expect the tropics to be of kuch help either, its looking bad even in the long range
Is this prediction from Larry Cosgrove?
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user:null not just him, another great source from Pow Ponder, very reliable guy, knows his stuff, plus looking at some of the guidance they really dont have the ridge moving much at all
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GFS has us bone dry until Sep 5th, and I don't trust it that far out anyways. The Euro has a little rain for our southwestern counties. Even the ICON has all of us missing out. Houston and points east are out of luck.

https://www.tropicaltidbits.com/analysis/models/
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Both the GFS and CMC generate quite a bit of qpf in/around Houston starting this upcoming weekend through the rest of the month. The ICON is not fully loaded yet, and still waiting to see what the EURO has to offer.
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user:null wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 1:16 pm The GFS generates quite a bit of qpf in/around Houston starting this upcoming weekend through the rest of the month.


I might begin to believe it if it gets inside 72 hours.
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user:null wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:33 pm
MontgomeryCoWx wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:32 am Heat and drought are far more dangerous than cold is….
Is it? People have developed civilizations even in dry deserts like Egypt. Not to mention huge cities today like Dubai, Phoenix, etc.

Haven't seen such occurences in the Arctic or Antarctica...
Heat is the number 1 killer among weather related events.
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Cpv17 at this point i wont believe any model that shows rain more than a day out lol
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Stratton20 wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 1:27 pm Cpv17 at this point i wont believe any model that shows rain more than a day out lol
I don’t blame you. That’s why I said might lol
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Cpv17 wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 1:21 pmI might begin to believe it if it gets inside 72 hours.
Isolated action begins as early as 84 hrs out (Wednesday evening), though this is probably from any residual moisture the tropical disturbance happens to spew.

More widerspread action appears within 144hr-160hr range. This is all within this week, so confidence is more reasonable compared to even the 8-10 day range. It looks to be initiated by an axis of deeper 700-300mb moisture moving in from Georgia (which then blossoms over Louisiana, in turn providing great chances for Texas.

The only problem might be because of the GFS surface heat bias: all that convection depicted over Louisiana might only be modelled because of the "overdoing" of surface temps.

Let's see what the EURO thinks.
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user:null wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 12:33 pm
MontgomeryCoWx wrote: Sun Aug 20, 2023 11:32 am Heat and drought are far more dangerous than cold is….
Is it? People have developed civilizations even in dry deserts like Egypt. Not to mention huge cities today like Dubai, Phoenix, etc.

Haven't seen such occurences in the Arctic or Antarctica...
5 Ancient Societies that Collapsed When the Water Ran Dry
https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sc ... er-ran-dry

Ancient megadrought may explain civilization's ‘missing millennia' in Southeast Asia
https://www.science.org/content/article ... heast-asia

Drought, Not War, Felled Some Ancient Asian Civilizations
https://eos.org/articles/drought-not-wa ... ilizations

Great Depression and the Dust Bowl
https://history.iowa.gov/history/educat ... depression

The Dust Bowl
https://drought.unl.edu/dustbowl/

Many civilizations have collapsed due to drought.
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Oh geez, now we’re under a Red Flag Warning. Lord, we need some rain. That’s some scary stuff. Especially north of Houston with all those pines.
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At 2:30 I recorded 105°F. So 106°f looks attainable, which would be a new record high for me this summer.
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107-108 now showing up in sections east of Houston. I believe the all-time record high for Beaumont is 108. Looks like today may set a new record. :roll:
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