2024 Hurricane Season Discussion

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Cpv17 I disagree largely, number of storms, sure it was a bust, but in terms of US impacts, definitely a devastating season for many
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Stratton20 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 1:41 pm Cpv17 I disagree largely, number of storms, sure it was a bust, but in terms of US impacts, definitely a devastating season for many
I’m talking about number of storms bro.
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Cpv17 i know, i said i agree the number of storms forecast were a bust, but i think its difficult to say the season was a bust considering the land impacts were severe for sure , this one is hard to say bust or not, but i for once am glad the numbers did not verify, lol, bust for numbers, but definitely not a bust for impacts,
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Stratton20 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2024 2:59 pm Cpv17 i know, i said i agree the number of storms forecast were a bust, but i think its difficult to say the season was a bust considering the land impacts were severe for sure , this one is hard to say bust or not, but i for once am glad the numbers did not verify, lol, bust for numbers, but definitely not a bust for impacts,
I think only 3 storms had U.S. impacts. That ain’t very much. Plus I look at number of storms to determine if a season is bust or not, not really land impacts. This season was hyped up to be historic. It was nowhere near that. Therefore it’s a bust to me.
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Tropical development odds are close to 50/50 in the Caribbean over the next week.
Initially, if anything develops, it is unlikely to move a whole lot, rather just sitting over the Caribbean.
Eventually, we may see a slow west or west-northwest movement.
Interests from Central America through the Caribbean should monitor updates on this.
Apologies for the lack of post yesterday, but I was preoccupied with some other things most of the day. Let's get into things this morning.


The NHC gives the western and central Caribbean about a 40 percent chance of development over the next week.
Eyes on the western or central Caribbean
Development odds are officially up to about 40 percent now in the Caribbean over the next week, as it appears we will enter a somewhat more active period in the tropics for November. The first thing I think we can say with some confidence this week is that this is not going to be a quick process. If this develops into an organized tropical system, it will take its time. The most likely outcome is that whatever forms here is likely to kind of fester for several days before trying to develop. We can sort of see the beginnings of stuff over the Caribbean this morning.


Far from organization, what we have in the Caribbean are a couple "blobs" of thunderstorms around the periphery. Over time, we'll see a slow focus toward more storms in the central or wester Caribbean.
We've got nascent thunderstorms all around the periphery of the Caribbean right now. But over time, we will probably see more thunderstorms focus themselves in the central or western Caribbean. This is what could fester its way into development this weekend or early next week.

What will probably end up happening is over the next week or so, we see this begin to pop up and fester in the Caribbean. Heading into the late weekend, high pressure over Florida and the Gulf and a second high pressure system just east of the islands will impart opposite movement on the disturbance, which basically cancels out. The steering currents shift to near zero. In other words, what starts to develop in the Caribbean will be unlikely to move a whole lot initially.


A map of the situation about 20,000 feet up on Sunday. Whatever tries to form in the Caribbean will likely only move very slowly, if much at all.
Over time, high pressure in the Gulf will probably stay in place, while high pressure east of the islands weakens. This may allow for a very slow northwest or west movement within the Caribbean next week. Exactly what this means is somewhat unclear at this point but we have several days to watch this. I don't believe we will see any marked organization of anything until at least Sunday or Monday. For now at least, I would not be too worried about this in the United States, but interests from Central America across the Caribbean should be checking back in with their sources every day or two for updates on this. We will obviously keep watching.

More to come tomorrow.

Beyond this area, there is not a whole lot to focus on at this point.
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NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
800 AM EDT Wed Oct 30 2024

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

Southwestern Caribbean Sea:
A broad area of low pressure is likely to develop over the
southwestern Caribbean Sea in a couple of days. Gradual development
is possible thereafter, and a tropical depression could form over
the weekend or early next week while the system drifts generally
northward over the central or western Caribbean Sea.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...medium...40 percent.

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tireman4 wrote: Wed Oct 30, 2024 8:57 am Tropical Weather Outlook
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL
800 AM EDT Wed Oct 30 2024

For the North Atlantic...Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico:

Southwestern Caribbean Sea:
A broad area of low pressure is likely to develop over the
southwestern Caribbean Sea in a couple of days. Gradual development
is possible thereafter, and a tropical depression could form over
the weekend or early next week while the system drifts generally
northward over the central or western Caribbean Sea.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...low...near 0 percent.
* Formation chance through 7 days...medium...40 percent.

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GFS and CMC have one more TS in the incubator and released into the GOM in 7-10 days.
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Probably wont end up being a big deal, upper level shear is very hostile in the gulf, anything that tries to head toward the gulf is going to get absolutely obliterated by that shear
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Development odds are increasing in the Caribbean.
Slow development is possible in about 3 to 5 days with a slow west or northwest movement.
Interests in Central America, Mexico, Cuba, Jamaica, and the Caymans should continue to monitor development closely.
U.S. impact risks remain quite low due to cooler water in the Gulf and wind shear.
Caribbean development odds inching up
The system that could develop in the Caribbean over the next several days is up to 60 percent today, as the forecast continues to look a touch more bullish on development.


The NHC is slowly boosting odds of development in the Caribbean today.
Back on Tuesday, we noted that it would probably move north or west from where it gets going, and today the NHC basically says the same thing. The upper pattern is favoring something a little anomalous for November, as most often, systems will move north or northeast from the Caribbean this time of year.

Anyway, we have at least loose model agreement almost across the board today that something should get going in the western or west-central Caribbean in about 3 to 5 days. In fact, looking at the Euro ensemble, we can see a clear development signal in the Caribbean by Sunday.


European ensemble on board with tropical development in about 3 to 4 days, much like most other modeling.
There will be a number of factors in play that will impact the strength and track of this system. First off, notice that there is also a low pressure signal on the north side of Cuba or Hispaniola. That low-probability system could have an impact on how shear impacts the Caribbean disturbance. Initially, high pressure over Florida and the eastern Gulf will likely help steer this system slightly to the west. Over time, that high pressure system may shift east a bit to focus more over Florida or the Bahamas. This could open the door to more of a northwest or northerly motion into the Gulf from this system.


The upper air pattern will favor a westerly and perhaps eventually a northwesterly motion to this system in the Caribbean.
You may look at that outcome and say, “Oh no, here we go again.” But the situation in November is generally much different than that of October. While the Gulf is generally warmer than normal, it has cooled a good deal in the last month.


The Gulf has cooled off a good deal over the last 30 days.
So we aren’t dealing with the precursor setup that we were with Helene or Milton. Secondly, wind shear tends to be quite aggressive in November. The forecast of wind shear in the northern and western Gulf is quite significant next week, with high shear in those locations.


A lot of wind shear separates a potential disturbance in the southern Gulf or northwest Caribbean from the U.S. Mainland.
That said, any kind of development is worth noting, particularly for folks in Mexico (the Yucatan), Cuba, Jamaica, or the Cayman Islands. And I would encourage those areas to watch this system closely, especially given that the Caribbean remains very warm and has barely cooled off in the last 30 days. For folks in the U.S., this is unlikely to cause major heartburn, but it probably remains worth watching at least until we have a better sense of how things will unfold. For now, it remains nothing of serious concern for the Gulf Coast.

More this weekend.
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Caribbean system set to try and form this weekend or next week and another wave causes flash flooding in Puerto Rico
By Matt Lanza on November 1, 2024

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We are getting a clearer picture of the Caribbean development potential this weekend and next week, with a disturbance possibly developing as it approaches Jamaica from the south Sunday or Monday.
From there, it should turn west or west-northwest, threatening Cuba, the Cayman Islands, and perhaps the Yucatan as a tropical system.
As it likely tracks into the Gulf next week, it will encounter hostile wind shear that should weaken it considerably.
A tropical wave is also producing heavy rain and flash flooding in Puerto Rico.
Caribbean system starting to come into better focus
Our potential system in the Caribbean continues to see support grow for its organization. The NHC is up to 70 percent odds this morning, and it's possible those increase further today.


Disorganized thunderstorms continue to percolate in the Caribbean, with development odds increasing this weekend or early next week. (Weathernerds.org)
Thunderstorms remain broad and disorganized today in this region, so I think we've got at least a couple days before anything happens here. Modeling seems to agree that a piece of the Central American Gyre (CAG) will break off north of Panama tomorrow and track generally northward toward Jamaica. I doubt we'll see rapid development here, but it is possible that by Monday, we have a depression or something close to that near Jamaica.


The Euro ensemble is in agreement on a possible system near Jamaica on Monday evening.
This is good model support, though the details and specifics are always tricky. But support from the ensembles and most operational guidance now exists on this as the most likely outcome through Monday evening. From this point, the system will likely begin to be steered by high pressure anchored over Florida. This should turn it northwest and then possibly due west toward the Yucatan. This will be the timeframe that is most critical in terms of potential impacts for Cuba, the Cayman Islands and Mexico. Most modeling keeps the system in check, only strengthening it a bit, but there are a handful of models that are aggressively intensifying this as it comes northwest.


The Euro ensemble is in good agreement on a track that places it broadly between Cuba and the Yucatan next Wednesday.
By next Wednesday, we should have a tropical system somewhere between Belize and Cuba. From here, the future track of this system becomes uncertain. High pressure should allow the system to keep going west or west-northwest into the Gulf of Mexico. But by late next week, assuming it starts to turn more northerly, it's going to get hammered by wind shear. So even if it does come northward toward the central or eastern Gulf of Mexico, it is likely going to deal with November headwinds which should keep its intensity in check. So, for now, we continue to suspect that this won't be a big concern for the U.S. Gulf Coast. But you should check back in later this weekend or early next week just to make sure. For areas between Belize and Jamaica, including Cuba, this will be a system to watch closely through the weekend. We'll keep you posted.

Elsewhere: Flooding in Puerto Rico
The NHC is highlighting two other areas, one north of the islands and one near the Azores. Neither has much more than a 10 to 20 percent chance of development and none are a serious concern, although heavy rain in Puerto Rico has been causing flash flooding concerns, and additional rain will continue to cause flash flooding in the eastern and northern portions of the island.


Puerto Rico is under threat from heavy rain and flash flooding through tonight as a robust tropical wave passes.
Most of this should hopefully ease up over the weekend.
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