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Re: December 2021

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:58 am
by sambucol
Kingwood36 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:53 am
sambucol wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:38 am Watched Pow Ponder this morning. If I’m not mistaken, he said the Arctic air is coming down and it sounded like the same time frame the models are showing. He is in Texas.
https://youtu.be/-EnVB9IXoAo
He didn't really say much about cold air entering Texas tho unless I missed it
Give it time. It will.

Re: December 2021

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:59 am
by sambucol
Stratton20 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:56 am Yup Pow ponder nailed it with the stratospheric warming event that lead to the arctic outbreak last february, so i definitely trust what he has to say
Me too.

Re: December 2021

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 12:34 pm
by Iceresistance
I'm sure another Stratwarm will cause the cold to come here eventually this winter.

Re: December 2021

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:36 pm
by Cpv17
Stratton20 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:34 pm CPV17 but how does the sea surface temps near Alaska effect our winter? Wouldn't the colder than normal current sea temps help the cold air build in that region?
Warmer SST’s in that area help build a ridge which blocks zonal flow allowing for the jet stream to buckle and form a trough which will send the cold air southward.

Re: December 2021

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 3:35 pm
by Iceresistance
Cpv17 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 1:36 pm
Stratton20 wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 3:34 pm CPV17 but how does the sea surface temps near Alaska effect our winter? Wouldn't the colder than normal current sea temps help the cold air build in that region?
Warmer SST’s in that area help build a ridge which blocks zonal flow allowing for the jet stream to buckle and form a trough which will send the cold air southward.
The SSTs near Alaska have warmed up lately

Re: December 2021

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 4:43 pm
by Iceresistance
18z GFS is shoving the cold FASTER compared to 12z

Re: December 2021

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:03 pm
by Iceresistance
Barely miss out the snow, but the Temperatures are COLDER compared to 12z.


18z GFS is proof is why you should NEVER give up!

Re: December 2021

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:40 pm
by sambucol
Iceresistance wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:03 pm Barely miss out the snow, but the Temperatures are COLDER compared to 12z.


18z GFS is proof is why you should NEVER give up!
You are right.

Re: December 2021

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:49 pm
by Stratton20
Iceresistance lets hope the GFS continues on this positive trend toward a colder solution🤞🤞🤞

Re: December 2021

Posted: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:52 pm
by Stratton20
Tonights 00z model runs, stopped them at day 10 (hour 240) CMC on the left and GFS on the right, talk about some crazy model disagreement😂🙃🙃

Re: December 2021

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:40 am
by TXWeatherMan
Stratton20 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:52 pm Tonights 00z model runs, stopped them at day 10 (hour 240) CMC on the left and GFS on the right, talk about some crazy model disagreement😂🙃🙃
That’s usually what happens when it’s 10+ days out

Re: December 2021

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:13 am
by Stratton20
TXweatherman well in this case I only go out as far as 10 days since thats as far out as the CMC goes , just crazy how 2 models can have such different solutions, wonder what each model is picking up on to have such a different outcome

Re: December 2021

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:54 am
by Iceresistance
Stratton20 There is a crazy amount of snow 10 days out on the 0z CMC, mostly along I-40 in Oklahoma (Center of the snowbands)

Re: December 2021

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:11 am
by MontgomeryCoWx
Stratton20 wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:13 am TXweatherman well in this case I only go out as far as 10 days since thats as far out as the CMC goes , just crazy how 2 models can have such different solutions, wonder what each model is picking up on to have such a different outcome
500mb pattern is very different. CMC has an Alaska to North Pole ridge. GFS has a stout Low and very low heights in the GOA.

Re: December 2021

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:38 am
by srainhoutx
Volatility is going to continue within the guidance for the next couple of weeks. A lot of atmospheric changes are happening. MJO finally moving out of the COD into colder phase 7, tropical disturbances development in the W PAC after being virtually dead all summer and a Strat Warning event developing within the next 10 days. Keep an eye on the Christmas Holiday period. Into the New Year.

Re: December 2021

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:15 am
by DoctorMu
Stratton20 wrote: Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:52 pm Tonights 00z model runs, stopped them at day 10 (hour 240) CMC on the left and GFS on the right, talk about some crazy model disagreement😂🙃🙃
Not unusual that far out in Wx Fantasyland.

Re: December 2021

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:16 am
by DoctorMu
srainhoutx wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:38 am Volatility is going to continue within the guidance for the next couple of weeks. A lot of atmospheric changes are happening. MJO finally moving out of the COD into colder phase 7, tropical disturbances development in the W PAC after being virtually dead all summer and a Strat Warning event developing within the next 10 days. Keep an eye on the Christmas Holiday period. Into the New Year.
Wet and unsettled La Nina? Interesting.

Re: December 2021

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:08 am
by Iceresistance
12z GFS tries to have snow in Oklahoma & parts of Northern Texas, but there is too much dryness.

On the Temperature, you can see the DFW Heat Island

Re: December 2021

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:22 am
by Kingwood36
Iceresistance wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:08 am 12z GFS tries to have snow in Oklahoma & parts of Northern Texas, but there is too much dryness.

On the Temperature, you can see the DFW Heat Island
We could careless if Northern tx gets snow or not lol we are more focused down here on the houston area 😂

Re: December 2021

Posted: Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:43 pm
by Iceresistance
12z GEFS has a large percentage of Ensemble Members showing more snow in the Southern Plains starting at +318 hours, which is unusual.