Re: July 2022
Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2022 6:55 pm
In Florida it doesn’t seem to matter what the ENSO state is. They get rain there regardless it seems. Absolute gully washers at that.jasons2k wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:02 pm I’m back. Lots of standing water until Mt. Belvieu. The Winnie area, as usual, was flooded. Everything was nice and green until we got to about 1485 & 99 and poof, the grass went brown.
It’s really bad over here. Along Birnham Woods and Elan, the grass is brown, the crepe myrtles are completely wilting, and the pine trees have that silver-gray-brown look with piles of needles under them. I haven’t seen anything like this since 2011, that’s for sure. Counting down the days until I’m back in the land of flora…
ENSO really doesn't matter too much in the summer season itself, really — the ENSO effect is more on the antecedent fall thru spring cooler season, such that rain/lack thereof determines whether any summer dry spells can be tolerated.
I'm actually investigating this. And looking through various radars, model runs, I'm actually starting to think that ridging gets too much blame — basically, I think that there are other factors at play that cause the Texas summer dryness, beyond just ridging. As you mention, Florida gets loads of summer rain ... and I've seen them STILL get sea-breeze storms, gully washers, etc even with ridges over them the same strength as would shut everything off and drive up triple digits in Texas.They get rain there regardless it seems. Absolute gully washers at that.
It's like a magical wall right at the TX/LA border.
Florida would almost be flawless. But, just like Texas, a certain governor over there rubs me the wrong way...It’s really bad over here. Along Birnham Woods and Elan, the grass is brown, the crepe myrtles are completely wilting, and the pine trees have that silver-gray-brown look with piles of needles under them. I haven’t seen anything like this since 2011, that’s for sure. Counting down the days until I’m back in the land of flora…
I like talking about weather, but let's not turn the conversation to politics thank you. If I wanted that, I would be on non-weather social media.user:null wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:18 pmIt's like a magical wall right at the TX/LA border.
That said, there was some solid storms over in Pearland onto Inner Loop Houston areas, both from 95L as well as various scattered instances throughout June — a solid inch+ at Hobby Airport on yesterday, so greenery should recover quite a bit. Even far west Ft. Bend county around Fulshear has things really perking back up with just the regular scattered storms earlier this week (and just got another good one not too long ago).
Florida would almost be flawless. But, just like Texas, a certain governor over there rubs me the wrong way...It’s really bad over here. Along Birnham Woods and Elan, the grass is brown, the crepe myrtles are completely wilting, and the pine trees have that silver-gray-brown look with piles of needles under them. I haven’t seen anything like this since 2011, that’s for sure. Counting down the days until I’m back in the land of flora…
My mistake. Will go back and edit if I can.captainbarbossa19 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:25 pmI like talking about weather, but let's not turn the conversation to politics thank you. If I wanted that, I would be on non-weather social media.
Florida has shitty Winters. I’ll visit there for the beaches. No way in hell I’d take up residence there. Do love their Gov though.Cpv17 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:13 pmIn Florida it doesn’t seem to matter what the ENSO state is. They get rain there regardless it seems. Absolute gully washers at that.jasons2k wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:02 pm I’m back. Lots of standing water until Mt. Belvieu. The Winnie area, as usual, was flooded. Everything was nice and green until we got to about 1485 & 99 and poof, the grass went brown.
It’s really bad over here. Along Birnham Woods and Elan, the grass is brown, the crepe myrtles are completely wilting, and the pine trees have that silver-gray-brown look with piles of needles under them. I haven’t seen anything like this since 2011, that’s for sure. Counting down the days until I’m back in the land of flora…
Yep. Last summer was the coolest we've had in my 30 years here. We did have a warmer than usual Fall. This summer is the hottest and driest so far in 30 years. Junction Boys bad.captainbarbossa19 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 1:57 pm As bad as you might think the weather is this year, just remember that it could be worse. I found this on the HGX weather page.
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https://www.weather.gov/hgx/climate_holidays_hundred
North Florida is OK, but not the panhandle. There is some cooler weather. It doesn't rain much. Anything south of Gainesville or certainly Ocala is too warm. You did lose me at Gov. Anyone who followed the failed Swedish model long after the Swedes gave up on it.MontgomeryCoWx wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:27 pmFlorida has shitty Winters. I’ll visit there for the beaches. No way in hell I’d take up residence there. Do love their Gov though.Cpv17 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:13 pmIn Florida it doesn’t seem to matter what the ENSO state is. They get rain there regardless it seems. Absolute gully washers at that.jasons2k wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 7:02 pm I’m back. Lots of standing water until Mt. Belvieu. The Winnie area, as usual, was flooded. Everything was nice and green until we got to about 1485 & 99 and poof, the grass went brown.
It’s really bad over here. Along Birnham Woods and Elan, the grass is brown, the crepe myrtles are completely wilting, and the pine trees have that silver-gray-brown look with piles of needles under them. I haven’t seen anything like this since 2011, that’s for sure. Counting down the days until I’m back in the land of flora…
Part of the issue that should be addressed is the annual precipitation drastically drops off from Houston westward. For example, San Antonio receives about half the precipitation of Beaumont. Meanwhile, east of Beaumont, precipitation does not vary nearly as much annually. It becomes slightly wetter, but the climate is generally about the same. So if a drought is taking place, one should still expect the wetter region to receive more rainfall than the typically drier region.user:null wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:27 pmMy mistake. Will go back and edit if I can.captainbarbossa19 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:25 pmI like talking about weather, but let's not turn the conversation to politics thank you. If I wanted that, I would be on non-weather social media.
Back to weather: there's a magic wall between Beaumont and Houston.
Yeah, Beaumont and Baton Rouge have pretty much the same climate.captainbarbossa19 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:52 pmPart of the issue that should be addressed is the annual precipitation drastically drops off from Houston westward. For example, San Antonio receives about half the precipitation of Beaumont. Meanwhile, east of Beaumont, precipitation does not vary nearly as much annually. It becomes slightly wetter, but the climate is generally about the same. So if a drought is taking place, one should still expect the wetter region to receive more rainfall than the typically drier region.user:null wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:27 pmMy mistake. Will go back and edit if I can.captainbarbossa19 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:25 pmI like talking about weather, but let's not turn the conversation to politics thank you. If I wanted that, I would be on non-weather social media.
Back to weather: there's a magic wall between Beaumont and Houston.
That's indeed an expectation on a general basis. Things do get wetter on average going east from Houston (~50-55) through the northern Gulf (~60+) ... although the immediate Atlantic South/much of FL peninsula has about the same average annual totals as Houston, or even less (i.e. Orlando, Tampa, Daytona, Jacksonville, Savannah, etc).captainbarbossa19 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 02, 2022 9:52 pmPart of the issue that should be addressed is the annual precipitation drastically drops off from Houston westward. For example, San Antonio receives about half the precipitation of Beaumont. Meanwhile, east of Beaumont, precipitation does not vary nearly as much annually. It becomes slightly wetter, but the climate is generally about the same. So if a drought is taking place, one should still expect the wetter region to receive more rainfall than the typically drier region.
I know. Just put that emphasis because it's actually been a while since I've been in the eastern areas of metro Houston — so if the contrast between places like Winnie, Texas City, Galveston, etc versus your home was really that stark (and not, more say, a gradualized gradient), then it just would be quite comical.
That can contribute, especially depending on how high in elevation those Mexican deserts are. Though I don't hear "capping" as much during summer weather NWS Houston discussions as much as during spring w/ severe weather setups.We just get more dry air from the Mexican deserts that taint our air column (cap) and in the summer we get a death ridge and lower pwats. Once you get east of Houston you lose the cap and pwats are consistently high enough to overcome the ridging.
I agree with this in general. Dryness is best left short and sweet for the cooler seasons, given less evapotranspiration, before warm season rains start.It’s been awhile since I looked at precip averages but I believe the highest annual totals east of the rockies are actually right near Beaumont with 60” and it tapers off slightly as you go east.
Tampa and other places on the peninsula receive around 50” annually. It’s a little lower b/c Florida tends to have a winter dry season. They get droughts too but they are milder because it’s typically during winter and they only last until the annual rain machine starts cranking again.
For me, that climate is ideal. Us locals down there would always say “you don’t want to be (live) north of Tarpon Springs!!” We knew.
It’s personal preference but I prefer to be in zone 10. It’s a huge difference from zone 8. For example, the vegetation in Destin looks nothing like Anna Maria or Longboat. It’s a different world and experience when you cross below the frost line.
If it’s too cold in the winter for royal and coconut palms to survive, then it’s too cold for me.
2012 was much better than 2011 as far as Houston's rainfall during summer. Yet not even 2011 was as bad as this year regarding June's rainfall.davidiowx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:50 am You can use this and filter by division, region, etc. by month or year showing the temp or precip avg compared to climate avg.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monito ... alpcpnrank
It’s pretty cool. 2011 and 2012 aren’t good for TX, obviously.
Just a look back at last year's cooler summer!davidiowx wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 10:50 am You can use this and filter by division, region, etc. by month or year showing the temp or precip avg compared to climate avg.
https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monito ... alpcpnrank
It’s pretty cool. 2011 and 2012 aren’t good for TX, obviously.