October 2020

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tropiKal wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:59 pm Just watch, the tropical takeover is happening. Very soon, Houston will regularly see those hot 90F winter days just like the Rio Grande Valley & tropical Mexico.
No different than any other winter here. I've been in Houston 40 years and see fall, winter, and summer every cold season.
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DoctorMu wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:54 am
snowman65 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:54 pm
DoctorMu wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:46 pm Good luck with the cleanup and am glad the golden triangle residents are safe.
it was way worse here than I expected.
Yeah, it was a bad angle with a much wider eye. That eyewall was right on top of the Texas Coast angling in.
Few mets here in Beaumont are now wondering if we got the outer west side of the eye wall in Beaumont. That was 84mph sustained for 32 min is too strong and too long to have that much sustained. Bostwick posted on his FB page that in all of his 40 yrs of meteorology, he has NEVER seen that happen from a storm. I see if I can grab a snippet.
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djmike wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:50 pm
DoctorMu wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:54 am
snowman65 wrote: Fri Oct 09, 2020 7:54 pm

it was way worse here than I expected.
Yeah, it was a bad angle with a much wider eye. That eyewall was right on top of the Texas Coast angling in.
Few mets here in Beaumont are now wondering if we got the outer west side of the eye wall in Beaumont. That was 84 mph sustained for 32 min is too strong and too long to have that much sustained. Bostwick posted on his FB page that in all of his 40 yrs of meteorology, he has NEVER seen that happen from a storm. I see if I can grab a snippet.

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You probably did. Instead of landfalling into Cameron, LA head on at a 90° angle to the coastline, Delta had drifted to the western edge of the cone, then move northeast not quite parallel with the Texas coast before landfall at nearly the same spot.

Delta had a 30 mile wide eyewall near landfall with a 25 mile thick, meandering eyewall. and the west side of Delta was far stronger than the smaller Laura, even with shearing beginning.

That would mean Orange and Beaumont could feel the wrath of Delta as she came ashore...

After Delta came ashore the eye grew larger and the strongest eyewall that had been on the north side rotated to the west side. I had one eye on the radar and the other on Hurricane Jeff and Piotrowski feeds.

Delta held together inland to at least Jennings where damage was also more severe than expected. Almost looked like tornadic damage.

Below you can see the differences in the tracks. The size and angle of Delta's track along the Texas coast (once it migrated to the west or left side of the cone while offshore was bad news for the Golden Triangle, something I was really concerned about.
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Any cool front in sight?
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Cromagnum wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:39 pmNo different than any other winter here. I've been in Houston 40 years and see fall, winter, and summer every cold season.
The difference is that the cold would be getting weaker. Less "rollercoastering," more constant 70-90F days throughout winter.
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Kingwood36 wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:43 pm Any cool front in sight?
Next Friday.
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tropiKal wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:06 pm
Cromagnum wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:39 pmNo different than any other winter here. I've been in Houston 40 years and see fall, winter, and summer every cold season.
The difference is that the cold would be getting weaker. Less "rollercoastering," more constant 70-90F days throughout winter.
Hope that doesn’t happen, and I doubt it will anytime soon.
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Kingwood36 wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 6:43 pm Any cool front in sight?
As of right now it looks like a pretty decent one this Friday. That could change though.
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DoctorMu wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 5:33 pm
djmike wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:50 pm
DoctorMu wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 12:54 am

Yeah, it was a bad angle with a much wider eye. That eyewall was right on top of the Texas Coast angling in.
Few mets here in Beaumont are now wondering if we got the outer west side of the eye wall in Beaumont. That was 84 mph sustained for 32 min is too strong and too long to have that much sustained. Bostwick posted on his FB page that in all of his 40 yrs of meteorology, he has NEVER seen that happen from a storm. I see if I can grab a snippet.

EDE54DF9-BC1A-412E-92E5-BCDA21B8D6BE.jpeg
You probably did. Instead of landfalling into Cameron, LA head on at a 90° angle to the coastline, Delta had drifted to the western edge of the cone, then move northeast not quite parallel with the Texas coast before landfall at nearly the same spot.

Delta had a 30 mile wide eyewall near landfall with a 25 mile thick, meandering eyewall. and the west side of Delta was far stronger than the smaller Laura, even with shearing beginning.

That would mean Orange and Beaumont could feel the wrath of Delta as she came ashore...

After Delta came ashore the eye grew larger and the strongest eyewall that had been on the north side rotated to the west side. I had one eye on the radar and the other on Hurricane Jeff and Piotrowski feeds.

Delta held together inland to at least Jennings where damage was also more severe than expected. Almost looked like tornadic damage.

Below you can see the differences in the tracks. The size and angle of Delta's track along the Texas coast (once it migrated to the west or left side of the cone while offshore was bad news for the Golden Triangle, something I was really concerned about.
Wow! Thanks! That explains it then 100%. Thank you for the explanation...Caught us all of guard. Glad its over. Now still without power and still doing cleanup but blessed we are all safe and sound. (Brought my elderly mother and aunt to my house for safety and since no one has electricity in Beaumont yet, and have a house of 15 dogs!! 12 dachshunds and 3 Pomeranians. So last few days has been adventurous to say the least. Leave no one behind in times like these.) anyway on to cooler weather and another subject soon i hope. Yall have a great day!
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It sure would be nice to experience some fall type weather around here. This heat and humidity is ridiculous for this time of year.
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The hot weather is from Hurricane Delta.

Interestingly after Hurricane Jerry made landfall in 1989, it got cold and Houston recorded the earlier 32°F on record.
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Just what I wanted to do. Drag the water hose around when its nearly 90 degrees in mid October and hasn't had measurable rain in 3 weeks.
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Ptarmigan wrote: Sun Oct 11, 2020 9:36 pm The hot weather is from Hurricane Delta.

Interestingly after Hurricane Jerry made landfall in 1989, it got cold and Houston recorded the earlier 32°F on record.
Yeah, it's funny. On the East Coast (ex. North Carolina) it's clearing, drier and cooler after a hurricane.

In Texas it gets hot as hell!

We have a windshift this morning bringing in northerly drier air by this evening. Hope it makes it down to Houston. Big front on Friday.
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TXWeatherMan wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:10 pmHope that doesn’t happen, and I doubt it will anytime soon.
We'll see. They've seen 100F in February right on the Gulf at Tulum and Villahermosa. And it's already reached Texas, even Laredo and McAllen have seen 100F in February!
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tropiKal wrote: Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:25 pm
TXWeatherMan wrote: Sat Oct 10, 2020 10:10 pmHope that doesn’t happen, and I doubt it will anytime soon.
We'll see. They've seen 100F in February right on the Gulf at Tulum and Villahermosa. And it's already reached Texas, even Laredo and McAllen have seen 100F in February!
If it does that’s when I’ll move lol
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Dewpoint of 51° now with a northerly breeze. What a relief.
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What a shock.....ugh......forecast has pulled away from those really cool temps this weekend and next week. It’s starting to feel like we will never get cold again. Lol
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So far....NWS still shows 50 for me Friday night... Hopefully it holds.
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Yep, GFS totally took away the strong front for Monday that previously showed lows well into the 40's for next week with staying power. She gone. Crazy.
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djmike wrote: Wed Oct 14, 2020 8:49 am So far....NWS still shows 50 for me Friday night... Hopefully it holds.
It's TWC and GFS vs. Canadian and NOAA (a little cooler)

The forecasts on smart phones are usually TWC-related. Historically, they are rather iffy beyond 72 hours..

I will say the NW counties will likely see more relief than Houston-Galveston on Friday and next week.
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